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Not much different than what you may have been reading and/or hearing by someone in favor of Arizona’s Boarder Laws (in fact, less aggressive than the US Federal Law), but I thought it would be interesting to see who you think wrote this, so far, two part article.

When answering question #2, answer it as if you reside on Arizona’s boarder to Mexico.  (as for those that don’t live there and use that as an excuse to not ‘imagine‘, try.  Put yourself, your children, husband, parents, grandchildren living on the board).  It’s real easy to voice opinions until you actually find yourself in the thick of things.

Question #1: Who do you think wrote this two part article?

Question #2: What do you agree and disagree with  

Here’s the two-part article:

With his thick Austrian accent, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger quipped in his commencement address at Emory University this past week: "I was also going to give a graduation speech in Arizona this weekend. But with my accent, I was afraid they would try to deport me."

It seems that the whole country is taking sides in the battle over the border in Arizona. Yet it truly remains the tip of the iceberg of our immigration troubles. Spurred on by the national debate, at least 10 other states are seeking to enact tougher immigration laws.

Now more than ever, we must protect our borders and sovereignty, by providing genuine solutions to the dangers of American boundary fluidity. With estimates showing that by 2060 America will add 167 million people (37 million immigrants today will multiply into 105 million then), it is imperative for us to do more to solve this crisis. Now is the time to beat the doors of change and save the boundaries and future of America.

But the federal government has failed miserably to produce a viable solution to the illegal immigration crisis. Amnesty is not the answer. And immigration laws aren't effective if we continue to dodge or ignore them. Furthermore, globalization efforts have only confused security matters, further endangering our borders and national identity -- our sovereignty. And the question that keeps coming to my mind is: How is it that we can secure borders in the Middle East but can't secure our own?

From America's birth, our Founders struggled, too, with international enemies and border troubles, from the sea of Tripoli to the western frontier. While welcoming the poor, downtrodden and persecuted from every country, they also had to protect the sacred soil they called home from unwanted intruders.

America's Founders also were concerned with properly assimilating immigrants so that their presence would be positive upon the culture. George Washington wrote, "By an intermixture with our people, they, or their descendants, get assimilated to our customs, measures, laws: in a word soon become one people." Thomas Jefferson, hailed as one of the most inclusive among the Founders, worried that some immigrants would leave more restrictive governments and not be able to handle American freedoms, leading to cultural corruption and "an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their number, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass." And Alexander Hamilton insisted that "the safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of citizens from foreign bias and prejudice; and on the love of country, which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family."

According to the Declaration of Independence, "obstructing the Laws for the Naturalization of Foreigners" was one of the objections leveled against Britain that warranted the American colonists' seceding. Yet even the Founders themselves believed that a total open-door policy for immigrants would only lead to complete community and cultural chaos.

We are discussing and debating new ways to resolve the social crisis we call illegal immigration, but our Founders pointed the way more than 200 years ago. Like enrolling in an Ivy League school, American citizenship was considered and promoted by them as a high honor. James Madison shared the collective sentiment back then when he stated, "I do not wish that any man should acquire the privilege, but such as would be a real addition to the wealth or strength of the United States." Hence, they processed applicants and selected only the ones who would contribute to the building up and advancement of their grand experiment called America.

Therefore, our Founders enforced four basic requirements for "enrollment and acceptance" into American citizenry. We still utilize them (at least in policy) to this day, but we desperately need to enforce them. The Heritage Foundation summarizes: "Key criteria for citizenship of the Naturalization Act of 1795 remain part of American law. These include (1) five years of (lawful) residence within the United States; (2) a 'good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States'; (3) the taking of a formal oath to support the Constitution and to renounce any foreign allegiance; and (4) the renunciation of any hereditary titles."

Just think if such immigration tenets were taught in schools such as Live Oak High School, in Northern California, where kids are confused about allegiances to flags and countries. And just think if the federal government actually enforced such tenets! Arizona and the 10 other states following suit wouldn't even need to go out on a limb and create their own immigration laws as states did prior to our Constitution. If we held citizenship in the same high esteem as our Founders and simply enforced the laws we already have, we wouldn't be in this illegal immigration pickle today. Next week, (Name Withheld - for now) will lay out their plan, drawing inspiration from our Founders, for dealing with the 12 million-plus illegal immigrants in our country today.

This is part two of a multi-part series ~

Watching U.S. members of the House and Senate, and the president's Cabinet in a joint session of Congress stand and applaud Mexican President Felipe Calderon's slam of Arizona's new immigration enforcement law, I thought, "What a despicable act of disloyalty to one of their own states and a ludicrous leadership move to boot, especially when 71 percent of Arizonians agree with its new immigration law. "

President Calderon, how can you possibly criticize the state of Arizona about its newly passed immigration law, when Mexico's immigration law states:

-- Immigrants can't be an economic burden.

-- Immigrants must be healthy.

-- Immigrants must have no criminal record.

-- Immigrants must show a birth certificate.

-- Immigrants must provide their own health care.

-- Government can ban foreigners due to race.

-- Illegal entry is a felony (resulting in jail time).

-- Illegal immigrants can receive no government assistance of any kind.

-- Illegal immigrants' children may not attend public schools.

-- Document fraud is subject to fine/jail.

-- Incarceration and deportation of illegals occurs without due process or a trial.

-- A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the goal of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison.

-- Federal, local and municipal police must enforce immigration laws, including checking "papers" of suspected illegals

Mexican law actually shares similar strictness with how America's founders dealt responsibly and forcefully with immigration law. In Part 1, I concluded by outlining key criteria for citizenship from the Naturalization Act of 1795, which remain part of American law. These include: "1) five years of (lawful) residence within the United States; 2) a 'good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States'; 3) the taking of a formal oath to support the Constitution and to renounce any foreign allegiance; and 4) the renunciation of any hereditary titles."

In order for us to regain control of the chaotic mess and national disunity posed by illegals and press on to achieve the success our forefathers had in immigration, I believe we must apply those four criteria to our naturalization process in a more practical way.

First, Congress must stop the flow of illegal immigration by putting up a viable border fence and reinforcing it by whatever means necessary. Then it must refocus the streams of immigration.

In order for the sheer force of Niagara Falls to be harnessed into usable energy, it must be intentionally funneled through proper and restrictive channels. I believe the same must be done with immigration or ultimately we will hand our sovereignty over to other nations on a populous platter.

Our forefathers increased and decreased the influx of certain peoples because America was not only building a melting pot of ethnicities but securities and degrees of productivity. Today, with America having achieved that great diversity, of course we shouldn't regulate the flows of immigration based upon ethnicity. Rather, we should regulate them based upon societal needs for balance, stability and growth, just as our founders did.

James Madison spoke for most founders as he gave the purpose for immigration: "Not merely to swell the catalogue of people. No, sir, it is to increase the wealth and strength of the community; and those who acquire the rights of citizenship, without adding to the strength or wealth of the community, are not the people we are in want of."

As I mentioned, we can't properly deal with the illegals within our borders until we've stopped the flow of any more at our borders. Then, and only then, can we turn our attention to the millions already residing in our country. What I then propose for them is not amnesty in any package, but a onetime solution based upon the 1790-1795 immigration law that would separate the wheat from the chaff, straining out potentially productive and law-abiding citizens who will pay their fair share of taxes as residents.

I would give illegal immigrants already here a three-month grace period to apply for a temporary worker's visa. If they failed to apply within that time frame, they would be considered fugitives, and would be found and deported. Once they applied and qualified for a temporary worker's visa, these immigrants would be placed on a two-year probationary period (the original 1790 requirement of residency). At the completion of that time, and if they remained in good standing, they would be issued a permanent worker's visa. And, after an additional three years (completing the five-year residency requirement from the Naturalization Act of 1795), they would qualify to apply for U.S. citizenship.

During their two-year probationary period, it would be their responsibility to check in to assigned governing officials and prove their productivity and progress as a part of the American landscape. Criteria would of course be established by Congress (as the Constitution requires), but enforced by local probationary personnel from the departments of naturalization, in a similar way that probation officers monitor people on probation. If immigrants don't "check in," and do not have a good reason for not doing so, they will be deported. If they are law-breakers, they will be deported. If they don't demonstrate a good moral standing and aren't productive members of their community, they will be deported.

This is how America was built, and it is how it can be rebuilt again today -- if we finally secure our borders, better regulate the influx of immigrants to meet and build up societal needs, and offer a responsible path to citizenship for immigrants who are already working here and want to become productive American citizens.  

Question #1: Who do you think wrote this two part article?

Question #2: What do you agree and disagree with

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      Marya1961 wrote May 25, 2010
    • There is so much controversy about this, bottom line IMO, if a person, regardless of who they are chooses to live in the US..then become a citizen, speak the language, pay the taxes, don’t expect a hand-out, obey the laws, respect each other (although many Americans lack in that department) and encourage the American way.heart

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      Cynthia Schmidt wrote May 25, 2010
    • I would love to know who wrote the article. I’m looking forward to reading more in the multi part document. Whoever they are they have access to many of the facts of the history of the forming of this country.

      Agree or disagree - From a human perspective my heart wishes everyone in the world had the freedoms and opportunities that we have, and many take for granted, in our nation. But I know that this is not a possibility in the world today as we know it. As the granddaughter of immigrants, I’m so grateful that my grandparents’ families came across the ocean, through Ellis Island and into the United States. My mother has my grandparents’ papers from becoming citizens and they were so proud to be naturalized!From a safety perspective - we must do what we must do to protect ourselves from those who would strive to infiltrate our borders and harm us or destroy our way of life and our freedomes, even if it’s unpopular.

      I wish we would look to other countries who have more stringent immigration laws, ask how they manage the process and also learn how it has worked for them. Countries like Switzerland and New Zealand have very tough immigration laws. Allow ourselves to be teachable.

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      Kyah wrote May 25, 2010
    • I heard someone at work say well, illegal immigrants can’t get a drivers license. Well, many of the hit and run accidents in NYC occur when the driver is undocumented and still behind the wheel. We have undocumented immigrants from all over the world, Russia, China, Mexico, South America, Ireland, Jamaica, Japan, everywhere. They stay for a little while on their VISAs and then get lost here in a city of 8 million people. I can understand Arizona wanting to stop the drug trafficking, but they’ll just find another way past the border. Those underground tunnels didn’t surprise me at all, in fact, I had a feeling they were trafficking people that way first, and now it’s drugs.

      As a descendant of Native Americans, I have to say, my people welcomed all who came to their shores and have regretted it ever since.

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      Veggie wrote May 26, 2010
    • The writer is Chuck Norris  estatic

      Part One: [Link Removed]

      Part Two:  [Link Removed]

      The facts!  Gee, what a concept!

      Sadly, some people just like to cause an uproar (or be a part of it), need something to be disruptive about, fight for something which most of them don’t even know what their fighting for (someone tells them go make a stink & they do) they‘re promised who knows what and (of course don’t get anything) yet they still follow like little sheep?%?  I don’t get it and I’m sure glad I’m not one of them.

      Calling this a racial issue is the lowest!   I find it extremely sad, but not surprised in the least, that the followers of this claim actually put themselves in the position to be used and even killed fighting for these evil, self serving politicians.  They could really care less what happens to you or your family.

      Look at McCain.  On the floor of the Senate acting like he’s all concerned about Arizona... his own home state!  That alone should tell you where these people’s concern is.  Where the hell has he been for the last 30 years?  Is he just now realizing what the citizens of Arizona have been living with while his sorry ass is living comfy in Washington?  NOW he wants to stand up with his empty words ONLY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO STAY PART OF THE POWER!  Kick his ass out just like Spector in PA!

      It amazes me that in 2010 there are still people that don’t think for themselves - Can’t see through all the lies of the few ‘in charge‘.  That will sell their souls for $10 and a pack of cigarettes.  What is it that would allow a person to sell them self that short?  Why after so much evidence of lies & deception would one believe there is something in it for them in the end?

      Things have changed.  Not just here in the US but all around the world.  So many say, “Bush did or didn’t do this or that‘, but in reality, Bush was a definite player in this!  Bush, his father & grandfather are all part of this world wide slavery agenda that we are now entering in on.

      Obama - nothing but a front man for the agenda.  They needed a younger, black face to get the votes.  Nothing more.  People think that the US has come so far as to elect a black man into office when in fact the agenda is to get votes.  Period.

      However, THE PEOPLE have come that far!  Obama was elected by the majority of THE PEOPLE of the US.  But that is not enough for politicians.  They want anger, hate and discontent.

      This boarder thing is nothing about race.  EXCEPT to play on The Peoples’ emotions.  Today people are living together in everyday neighborhoods.  Yes, there are all nationalities that have extremists on both sides but as I do my daily errands and watch people as I’m sure all of us do, We The People are NOT as politicians would like you to think - we hate each other.  It’s just not true to the extent THEY would like it to be.  People getting along will not get THEM what they want.  They NEED people to be angry, distrustful and hating each other.

      An emotionally healthy community does not work in their favor.  

      As far as I’m concerned, it just is not the case.  And where it is, well, shame on them and there are more of us than there are them.

      Stand up for the unity that WE THE PEOPLE do have!  Stop allowing those in Washington (and other haters) to dictate to us how we feel.  THEY are DEAD WRONG!  They know it, too, but they need you to be angry.  Let's let them do their own dirty work  for a change and watch them fall flat on their faces.

      Without an audience they‘re play can’t go on.

      As for our boarders, do it right or you don’t come!  It’s an insult to those that have gone through the right channels to get what they want for themselves and their families.  My hat is off to these upstanding people from all over the world!

      Veggie, Your links have been removed, please consider upgrading to premium membership.

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      Mary Clark wrote May 26, 2010
    • I agree with Chuck Norris!!  He is exactly right. are correct..this is just a milder version of the federal law that has already been in place!!  It’s nothing new.

      I am all for people bettering their lives.  All for it!!  But what I am saying is if you are from another country and you want to come to the United States to live, then you better do it the right and legal way.  Become a citizen and do what it takes to do so. Learn your taxes....and don’t live off the system.  Heck...Americans need to quit living off the system.  But referring to the illegals...then either do what is legal or get out.  I don’t want to support you and I want you to speak English!!  

      I am asked all the time for my identification.  In fact...when people come to my desk and want me to handle their financial affairs and I don’t know them...I’m going to ask them for I.D. If you‘re not doing anything wrong...then you should not have a problem with showing your papers or whatever.  If you‘re not a citizen or dont’ have a best have some papers.  

      I support Arizona...and I hope my state...the state of South Carolina follows suit.  

      Put the national guard or your retired veterans that want to protect and secure them.

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