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Moments ago, I posted this under our Forum category at the CONNECTION STATION entitled “All Things Current“.  It bears repeating here - if only to cause one to pause, reflect and give serious consideration to.  It’s not intended as a political statement; but rather an observation that those who are either too naive to understand history or too blind-sided to care may not be the “best and the brightest“.  Read and take heed!

“I have struggled all day with whether or not to post this. I feel I must as it is something that needs to be said.

Yesterday, I was privvy to a sound bite of one of the candidates for POTUS that left me chilled to my bone! Then it enraged me. The comments related to World War II and a comparison of the USA to Nazi Germany at the time of that war. I couldn’t believe my ears!

I’m of that vintage! Although a young child at the time. . . I remember! I remember many things about the folks who lived through that horrific period of our history & I’d like to relate them here:

I was only 3+ on December 7, 1941. But I can tell you exactly where I was when the news flashed on the radio announcing that Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor. It was our usual Sunday evening ride. I was standing on the ‘hump’ that used to be in the middle of the back seat floor (long before seat belts & car seats). I liked to stand there straddling the ‘hump’ and leaning between Dad who drove and Mom who told him how! The sudden news flash was so startling we turned around and went home.

I remember my Dad in his Army uniform preparing to go to war although he could have easily avoided service because he was just over the cutoff age. I remember stomping the tin cans after Mom took out the food. We stomped them flat, saved them and took them around the corner to the ‘pickup’ area. You see, the tin cans became bullets and anything else the war effort needed. And I remember the ‘coupons’ we had to take to the store to buy food & supplies. You see, everything was rationed. And there were the troop trains that rumbled across the tracks in the middle of the night just a few blocks from our house. I’m fond of telling my grandchildren about the air raid drills in which we’d have to draw all the curtains and turn off appliances & all but the lowest burning lights!

And I still have the scar from where I scrapped my leg against the brick of our front porch jumping for joy that the war in Europe had ended & “my Dad will be coming home!”

As an adult, I remember my first trip to the Yad Vashem in Jerusalem! That somber memorial to the nearly 9 million Jews who were slaughtered by the Third Reich. The first walk through the “Hall of the Children” was so mind-numbing that I simply stumbled through the darkness as the names of children - their birth date - death date & the camp in which they died - “Auschwitz“, “Buchenwald” - droned on. The following morning, I remember returning to the Yad before departing Israel because I wanted to ‘feel’ those children - not a series of names in a blackened hall that held the horror of the worse man can do to man!

I remember standing in the courtyard of Dachau. . . a few short kilometers from Munich! That ‘monument’ to Nazi demonic mentality that flowed with the blood of innocents whose only ‘crime’ was they were Jewish or Christian. I recall the stench that when close to the stoves gave off a faint odar of burning flesh - long years later.

I had exited the museum because I couldn’t take anymore. There near the exit was a simple memorial enscribed on a large gray stone. . . . “NEVER AGAIN!” As I stood weeping, a man in our group who bore his German heritage with the same hubris that brought the Third Reich to power, stopped to chide. His cold manner boiled my blood and when he uttered words of denial that anything so evil had happened between 1938 and 1945 - I thought I would choke him! When he saw my red blazing eyes meet his. . .he muttered and walked quickly away.

I only wish that everyone could hear that same sound bite before Tuesday. At least every member of the “greatest generation” living today. And every family member of a Jewish holocaust survivor. . . or one who recalls that their parents, grandparents, brother, sister or child - never came home - would listen to that sound bite. One by someone too young to have even known the greatness of this country - the sacrifices made to make certain such depraved evil did not survive - but might be forever eradicated from the earth.

I wish every eastern European Jewish or Christian descendant who has at least read a history book and seen the pictures of naked emaciated bodies piled high in the ditches that ring Dachau - would listen to that sound bite.

I wish each of us could see the old newsreels that used to appear before the feature film at the theater - reels that showed allied soldiers stunned to find frail men & women wandering dazed on the road leading from Auschwitz. . . .wearing black & white prison clothes and no shoes. I wish they could hear that sound bite!

If so. . . .I think they might feel the same chill I did as I listened to such arrogance and faulty reading of history - by a person who isn’t even old enough to be a ‘boomer‘.

It has been said by a wise man and repeated many times over. . . that when we fail to learn the lessons of history, we are bound to repeat them.

I pray to PAPA with the same words that are forever embedded on simple gray stone . . . . “NEVER AGAIN!”

Amen”

Linda S. Fitzgerald
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      Dee Dee Shaw wrote Oct 30, 2008
    • Linda,
      Thank you for posting this. It really breaks my heart that this presidential race has been all about color and gender. The color of one's skin, or the absence of genitalia should not bias someone towards or against a candidate. We should have the noggins to look past the cover, and examine how the book reads. When someone doesn't like the content they should not be labeled as racist or sexist. Personally my man was Ron Paul. I am not happy with either choice, but I see the same thing you see and it scares me not only for us, but for our posterity. I am not happy with the state of affairs in DC either. But, me thinks the change that everyone is cheering for will be a rude awakening. Maybe that is what complacent America needs. We should not be praying "God Bless America" but "God Forgive America" for all the atrocities that we as a nation are allowing to take place on a daily basis. As judgement comes (as history teaches us) so does repentance and revival. May God have mercy even in judgement. I can't think of anything more encouraging to say...



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      Darla5 wrote Oct 30, 2008
    • My daughter and I have been talking about the Holocaust this week and then you write about it.

      She is a Sophmore in college and in class they had a special speaker that survived the Holocaust. He was 14 when it started. The stories he tells are horrible.  

      He shared many things but one story lingers on for me. He was from a wealthy family when they took them to the Ghetto. He said when they were taken from there to the camps, His family was taken to a table to register. The soldier sent his Father, Mother and Sister  one way and his brother and him another. He did not have any idea what was happening. He tried to be strong for his little brother. He kept asking where were his parents. He also noticed this horrible smell in the air. One day he went up to a German soldier and asked about his Mom and Dad and sister . The soldier asked him, when they first got here did your parent’s go left or right? He answered. The soldier then told him the smell that you smell is your parent’s burning.
      His little brother died. He escaped and was hid by a family until American soldiers were there to help him.

      He says when he gives lectures there will always be someone stand up and say this never happened. He said to those people he will not debate this with you.  

      DeeDee- I think it was Billy Graham that said, “If God does not judge America... He will have to raise Sodom and Gomorrah from the ground and  give an apology .    

      I believe what the Lord says about Israel... He will bless those that bless her and curse those that curse her.

      May we never forget!!!



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 30, 2008
    • Thanks Dee Dee!  I just had to say something after hearing such an arrogant audacious comment by the one they want to call “messiah“. . . and to think he doesn’t even like Jews!



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      Linni wrote Oct 30, 2008
    • AMEN ladies! i stand in agreement with you all!

      NEVER AGAIN!



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      Tamara47 wrote Oct 30, 2008
    • Amen, Amen, Amen,

      Never Again!



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      Rena Bennefield wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • I am in agreement with you all as well "NEVER AGAIN"..I remember the first time I saw the movie The Holocaust... I was so tore up..And then the Schedulers List(not sure of spelling)..I know that the Hollywood versions are nowhere near as accurate and I know and believe they were a Thousand times more savage, heartless, and sick...Then I saw in either movie..I know if I ever have the chance to  go to these places it will affect me for the rest of my life..I fear for our country and what the future may hold..It scares the hell out of me..And those arrogant people who up hold this kind of slaughter will be judged by God..It is the only punishment I think will be fitting to their actions..Burn In Hell...



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      Merlot63 wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Thanks Linda for writing this.  As a daughter and granddaughter of survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto, my mother being the only living descendant of my grandfather’s beautiful family of 8 kids, 6 of them murdered by the Nazis with their families, the 7th losing his wife and 2 kids, I too say NEVER AGAIN.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Thank you for such beautiful comments!  Every great civilization has failed to learn the lessons of their history and thus. . . were doomed to repeat them.  And when they did, that civilization began the steep decline down the ‘slippery slope‘.  I pray that this nation wakes up and realizes that we too MUST learn the lessons of our history as well as that of other nations that have rapidly declined because of faulty assumptions & a failure to heed the warning signs along the way.

      And to those of you who had relatives as victims of the horrific deeds perpetrated by the Third Reich. . . my heart bears the wounds of your hearts as well.  The cruelty cannot be adequately described. . . even by the Hall of Children.

      Blessings in your day,
      Linda



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      Bobbi Bacha wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • NEVER AGAIN, CONCURRED !  A jewish friend of my father whom escaped before jews were put on trains, said that no one paid attention to the politics as everyone was doing thier business and suddenly when they looked up Hitler was in power and even Good Germans were asking how this could happen, and its because, no one paid attention to the political background of the candidate, or the cause for which he spoke, and they voted out of popularity instead of based upon issues.  Soon the press was gagged, other than press that wrote favorable to Hitler, and anyone speaking up was arrested, school students were requested by duty to turn in their families, and suddenly.. all freedom was lost and we know the rest of this sad history.  

      Im Jewish by Blood and it hurts to know that my ancestors were targeted for Genocide.  The sad thing is Im also Cherokee and those ancestors too were targeted for Genocide by the English settlers.  So.. we must look at history.  

      Our country is only 300 years old and Rome lasted 1000 years, and Rome was taken from within. By politics.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Greeneyed!

      You are so correct.  Most often, it comes from within while we‘re all so busy with our daily lives.  And yes, I’m concerned that voting for folks who will hold the future of this country - the future of my grandchildren - in their hands has come down to a Hollywoodesque-style vote on looks, popularity & oratorial skills.  Steven Douglas (I think that was his name) was a ‘silver-tongued’ orator - Abraham Lincoln was not!  Yet Lincoln had substance and regardless of how he spoke in comparison to Douglas - his substance was what got him elected.  Not once but twice.  No one remembers what Douglas had to say. . . but long years after Gettysburg, the words Lincoln wrote on a envelope while riding the train from DC to the battleground live on - “Four Score and. . . .!  BTW - Lincoln was also not a particularly physically attractive man either.  But what he brought to this nation was a brilliance unmatched by most men of his generation. . and perhaps since.

      This will rattle cages, but perhaps we ought to require a recitation of what candidates stand for before being allowed to vote!  I heard 3 people on a popular radio talk show yesterday who couldn’t give one specific issue upon which they were basing their vote.

      Sad, sad commentary on the times & how quickly we forget the sacrifices of those who made it possible for us to vote - whether we know what a candidate stands for or not.



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      Darla5 wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Anna, So true.

       What is that saying... IF YOU DON‘T STAND UP FOR SOMETHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING.



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      Feathermaye wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • I agree that this was beautifully written. Thank you so much for sharing such a personal story with us.

      I’ve been all over the internet this morning, trying to find the sound bite referred to, but I just can’t come up with it.

      This is exactly the sort of thing that would cause me to put my thinking cap on and reconsider what I feel and believe at this time.

      Can anyone point me in the direction of the mentioned clip?



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      Dee Dee Shaw wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • And the saddest of all is that we are so close to repeating history. “Truthful Media” is an oximoron. They are already being gagged to some degree because of the monies that fund them. When I think about all the what-ifs and the impending answers to those, I become dizzy and even a bit sick to my stomach. I am a ‘fixer’ so when I foresee things that are out of my control, it leaves me with a sense of dread. We didn’t get where we are overnight, and turning a political ship this big back towards safety will take time. I don’t really see that happening regardless of who goes into office. What I see is the Titanic (your word choice of arrogant Linda is spot on) headed straight for an iceburg. We might see the brakes applied to lessen the damage of the collision, but if the polls are right (and they always are, aren’t they?) I see full throttle ahead. As we cast discernment to the wind, and buy into the charisma of the promise of change, we are no different than the passengers of the Titanic putting our lives into the hands of the arrogant crew who boasted that “even God can’t sink this ship.”
      Even as I write this I know it is inflammatory, but I feel (like Linda) that it needs to be said. I may not be able to put it so eloquently. But, my heart is heavy - and I need the cathartic release of knowing that I didn’t keep silent. I also pray that I am wrong! Never in my life would I be more happy to grovel before you ladies if my predictions dont’ hold true.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Feathermay,

      The sound bite in question was played one afternoon this week on Rush Limbaugh’s show.  It may also have been played on an Indy area show called “Garrison“.  It is a bite from an B.O. interview given earlier this year in which he referenced WWII and inferred that the same thing that was going on in Nazi Germany was also going on back here in the US (he may have used the word “home“, but I don’t think so).  I really don’t want to turn this too political which is why I didn’t mention the candidates name.  I don’t know if it’s on the internet or not, but may be on Rush’s show & I can’t remember the day this week.  It was also alluded to by David Horowitz on the Garrison show.

      As I think through what possible context the man might have been thinking of. . the only thing I can imagine is a reference to the camps the US had in the west for folks of Japanese origin.  They materialized after Pearl Harbor. . . but were nothing like what occurred in the German concentration camps.

      Regardless, the US is not a perfect nation by any shot. . . but I don’t think we’ve engaged in anything nearly like what the Third Reich did during WWII.  When one visits the Yad Vashem and Dachau & looks at the photographs that were taken. . . it’s almost impossible to realize that humans can be that cruel to each other for nothing more than what we call “ethnic cleansing“.  Yes, we certainly didn’t do right or always humanely by native Americans & in some areas of the country - by African Americans.  But Nazi Germany was about ethnic cleansing on a grandeous scale over country after occupied country!  To even hint we were or are like that is an affront to those of us who are acquainted with our “imperfect history” which pales in comparison to the horror dealt out by the Nazi regime.

      Ah,ah - you’ve got me started now.  When in Berlin on the same trip in which we visited Dachau, we were told that being a “skin head” or neo-Nazi is illegal now in Germany.  Yet as we walked the main street on which their large retail store - the KaWeDo I think it’s called - the neo-Nazi youth were everywhere!  Didn’t try to hide it or cover up their appearance or anything.  Just goes to show what can happen when we‘re not looking or being diligent.

      All things said. . . I just really rangled at the idea that anyone would compare this country to Nazi Germany.  It has to be that he is simply not old enough to remember. . . and thank God there are those of us who do.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Annie,

      What a beautiful poem.  It’s true. . . if we don’t stand for something - then we stand for nothing.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • All who are looking for the sound bite on the internet.  I’m wracking my brain to remember which day this week it was.  When I’m driving, I listen to Garrison, Rush & Hannity (they follow each other on an Indy station).  Possible it was Hannity; but am almost certain it was Rush.  

      Sorry I can’t be more specific. . but between listening to the shows, and running from meeting to meeting, I can’t recall the exact show.  Later today, I’ll check El Rusho’s site and see if it’s there although I’m not a member, so don’t know if I can see the transcript or not.



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      Feathermaye wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Thanks for the information, Linda. At least now I’ve got some key words to work with!



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      Dee Dee Shaw wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Heather,
      I found the transcript (and if you can get past Rush’s arrogance, the quote is in there, but not the whole interview.) I found the links at the bottom helpful (his resources.) I am pretty radically right winged (although I lean toward libertarian), but have never been able to listen to Rush, or Neil just because they are so obnoxious.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Dee Dee,

      Remember, it was just a sound bite. . . not the entire interview.



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      Dee Dee Shaw wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • [Link Removed]  is the one I looked at...
      But if you search the archives, there are more.


      Happymomma, Your links have been removed, please consider upgrading to premium membership.



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      Feathermaye wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Ugh. I, too, can’t stomach Limbaugh.

      Thank you so much for the link, Dee Dee. I’ll attack it in spurts and see what I can come up with for my own thought-food.

      In the end, just like everything else, my guess is that it is all up to interpretation. The [snips] are what start to make me wonder what I’m not ‘hearing‘.  

      Thanks again!



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      Feathermaye wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Annie, in the address bar when the page says “access denied“, just remove the “is” at the end of it. It just got embedded as part of the link.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Annie,

      Since I heard the sound bite on the program and probably missed a lot of the follow up because I had arrived at my destination. . . is there any explanation as to why he feels the US is like Nazi, Germany?  I’m so glad someone else understood it in the same vein as I did.  I can hardly believe such a statement!!!  Guess that’s why I wrote the post I did.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Annie,

      It was for the most part, the “government” in Germany that perpetrated the atrocities of which we’ve been talking.  It wasn’t the environment - except that Hitler rose to power during a time of a considerable downturn in Germany’s economy PLUS Adolf had the gift of ‘fiery rhetoric’ and was a gifted communicator.  The people were totally taken in by him.  Although at Dachau we were told that the general population in the town of Dachau not many kilometers away didn’t have any idea what was going on in the camp - you could smell burning flesh for miles & the mote around the camp often had considerable blood and water running in it.  Sorry don’t know any way to soften what we were told.  So the townsfolk had to know something not good was happening out there in the woods.  But it was the rise of Hitler and his form of “government” that brought to power such folks as Goerbels (have forgotten how to spell many of the names), Himmler, Eichmann, and the SS.

      Also I stand corrected that the sound bite is from earlier this year. . .it was from 2001.  I would like to know if he still believes this.  I can tell him as a young person living during that time that no way was the US like Nazi Germany - no way, shape or form.

      I also am struck by the parallel between the situation in Germany at the time Hitler rose to power and the economic situation here at the time of our election.  Although I must say that the situation in Germany - actually much of Europe - at the time was much worse than it is here now.



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      Feathermaye wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • My thoughts, as broken as they are based on the (unrelated to fab40) day I’m having:

      Rush is just as guilty as most others for the spins that are put to statements taken out of context.

      Sure, it sounds bad; how could it not? It was intended to sound bad.

      Rush certainly wouldn’t promote anything (or much of anything) positive Obama has to say. He remains in the position he’s in because of that.

      However, I will not cast any judgments for or against Obama’s quoted fragment because I don’t have the big picture. He could be referring to a militant group, or an extremist religious sect, or a militaristic approach to any number of situations. I don’t know (and I think most everyone is in agreement here that none of us can be sure) what he’s referring to, so I won’t judge him on it.

      In spite of all the controversy, how hated he may be, or whatever fuel keeps getting added to the fire, there are more and more indications every day that he is going to be the next leader of our nation.

      Everyone who is so dead set against that happening then have the burden of responsibility to decide what they are (or can) do about it. The time for pointing fingers has passed. In my opinion.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Pie,

      I said that, having corrected my original statement that it occurred earlier this year.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Well, this is where we will need to “agree to disagree“.  While any subjegation of one group of folks by another is inherently evil. . . there is little to compare to what occurred during WWII under the Nazi regime.  Even in full context, the comparison still leaves me cold to the bone.  Yes, I know that ancient civilizations committed horrible atrocities & were absolutely brutal by any human standards; but the early 1900’s in this country were moving to a “generally” more civil society.  And yes, discrimination and segregation were a horrible blight on this nation. . . but I guess one has to see close & upfront to realize that 9 million Jews and Christians, from many different ethnic and racial origins - men, women and children - slaughtered, is hard to find any comparison.  It was simply a case of “absolute power corrupts absolutely“.  It’s that potential I hope this nation avoids. . . regardless of who the person in power happens to be.



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      Tamara47 wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • The reminder in ink...  

      During the first of my twenty five years in south Florida, the reminders in ink of that horrible time was printed on the arm of many of the patients I served in the hospitals.

      Their upbeat personalities, and smiling eyes I cannot forget.

      One man in particular, he had accidentally poisoned himself with industrial chemicals he used to repair his own teeth for fear of going to the doctor.

      He was seriously ill, but joked, and made light of our “fussing” over him all the way through.  

      I will never forget him trying to hide his left arm, and that ink reminder.    

      Never again!



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Oct 31, 2008
    • Annie,

      My comment above “agree to disagree” is in response to Pie’s comment - not yours (gee whiz, this platform is horrible!).  I agree that the comparison falls very short. There is simply no way that the GENERAL level of brutality that was Nazi Germany has ever been equalled in this nation.  Our history of slavery, discrimination (against many different ethnic, religous and racial groups) and segregation is a terrible thing, but pales in the shadow of thousands of naked starved bodies piled high as if they were so much ‘trash’ is nauseating and that’s an understatement.

      IMHO, the comparison of large populations among US society who in their ignorance and blind prejudice perpetrated terrible pain on smaller US populations with Nazi Germany was a poor choice to make.



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      Linda S Fitzgerald wrote Nov 1, 2008
    • Pie,

      I go back to my original premise - that to compare laws made in certain sectors of the US - laws that certainly were not ethical, moral or upstanding in any form or fashion does not rise to the level of the “doctrine” of the 3rd Reich to eliminate Jews, Christians and any other religious, ethnic or racial group from the earth out of their exceeding hubris.  The Jim Crow laws were not right and I’m certainly not defending them. . . but Obama’s comparison is like apples to oranges (as someone said earlier).

      Now, the neo-nazi movement (“skin heads“) have added African-Americans to their “hate list” and the photos I saw at the Yad Vashem and Dachau included African-Americans who were part of the heap of slaughtered bodies.  While what has happened in this country with slavery, desegregation, etc. is wrong. . . I will never be convinced that it rises to the level of what Nazi Germany did throughout Europe for over 7 years.  Just think. . . in 7 years, the Third Reich murdered at least 9 million people & that is not counting the civilians who died as the allied army rolled in to end the war.

      As I’ve said before. . .let’s just “agree to disagree” and be done with it.  Because no one will ever convince me it was an appropriate analogy.  As to his motives for using such a ‘lopsided’ one. . . I won’t venture a guess.



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