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Is it me? Or is there something fundamentally wrong with this study?  

"Children born in the winter months already have a few strikes against them. Study after study has shown that they test poorly, don't get as far in school, earn less, are less healthy, and don't live as long as children born at other times of year. Researchers have spent years documenting the effect and trying to understand it. "

Now all of you Capricorns, Aquarius's and Pisces have just been labeled.  

Economists Daniel Hungerman and Kasey Buckles from the University of Notre Dame examined birth certificates and U.S. census data. Interestingly enough, they found that women who delivered their children in the three winter months were noticeably different from women who gave birth in the months that followed. His finding showed that women were more likely to be teenage mothers or women that were unwed. Most of them lacked the basic high school education and were economically challenged.

I'm not going to paraphrase their study because you can read the Wall Street Article for details, but I have to wonder, who comes up with these studies?

Many years back I was in the car listening to AM radio when I heard that "in a recent study of 1000 men and women who lost over 50 lbs in the last two years, participants that stuck to their diet as a lifestyle change, and continued exercising were able to keep their weight under control. The ones that went back to their old habits gained all of the weight back and then some." REALLY???? Do we need a study for this???? Common sense tells us that much.

But I digress. I happen to have two kids that were born in December and January. Both are smart, funny and incredibly sharp. Before the Internet, we were taught that what we read is true and to only question what we hear. But even if this study has some truth to it, wouldn't you agree that it's absolutely useless data?

As a young mother I certainly wouldn't want  to know that I screwed up and delivered in the wrong month of the year and my baby can be stupid because of it.  As a child, I certainly wouldn't want to be labeled as such.  

I’ve always wondered, who pays for these studies and who benefits from this information? Certainly it can't be us, the people.

Your thoughts?

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      UK Girl wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Hey honey in the UK one week the Government tell us red wine is good the next week it's bad.... I know here it's always the Government which pays for stupid surveys and reports just too either tell us what we know – "drinking in moderation is okay but binge is bad"
      My daughter is a December baby and so are my mother and I for one would not label my mother stupid ...........and I defy any study to do that......
      I think people find it easy to pick and label and think okay this suit let's run with it .........personally I now never ever believe those surveys or Government findings



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      Cindylouwho1966 wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • What is the point of this particular study? There really doesn’t seem to be one!



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      Karen Branum wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I was born in November, 1964; I was DUE in January,1965, (there’s that damn winter month connection!) . I always wondered why “I tested poorly, didn’t get as far in school, I’m earning less,I’m usually less healthy (I catch everything!), and I probably won’t live as long as children born at other times of the year. Researchers have spent years documenting the effect and trying to understand it.” I have to chuckle.....I don’t know why we need research for this. I figured I was just cursed with faulty genetics and cluless parents. We would make a great study!!   :)



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      Mary Clark wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I too can’t figure out the purpose of the study.  I would rather see the funds used to sponsor these ridiculous studies be used toward substantial research that would actually make a difference in someone’s life.



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      Meldw wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • This is totally ridiculous! My daughter, sister and brother were all born in December, as well as two close friends and a niece and they are all super smart, outgoing and witty. I have other family members born in January who are all very successful, and, well, everyone I know born in February and March are all smart and hard-working. What a waste of money!



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      Mztracy wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • hmm i’m a Pisces. I got good grades, a Bachelors, made good money.
      As for the health, that part, sadly, is true for me.

      I stil want to know who ‘they ’ are. lol



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      Coachmombabe wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Sheesh, that’s over my head! But, hey, I’m a Pisces,what do you expect! ;)



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      Yana Berlin wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I see NO point of it NONE, except to label kids and make moms feel guilty.  

      Like anyone that is trying to conceive is going to read this study and say: HMMMMMMM let me wait few months to get pregnant“, or better yet,  someone that has been trying to get pregnant and couldn’t and now finally did, will now either consider abortion or spend years fretting that their child will be stupid because of when he or she is born.

      If I had to vote for the most dumbest study that I came across until today, this will have to be it.



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      Lisa Wald Guarino wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Just a ridiculous study.  

      I agree that monies could be spend better on Important things/areas.  

      Aquarius here.

      Lisa G.



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      Anne E wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Great. frown I’m a winter baby and so is my daughter.  I choose not to put any credence into this study.



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      Anne Lyken-Garner wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • What rubbish! When your child is born has to do with when you get pregnant, surely.  

      My daughter was born in winter and she’s the opposite of all of these. She’s an advanced learner!

      These studies annoy me. So many people in the world are starving and what are we doing? Spending hundreds of thousands on surveys so that ‘they’ can tell us what we already know, or come up with rubbish like this.



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      Lori Daniell wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I’m a winter Brat, and proud of it!  But I guess there is a moral to the story and this is it:

      If you generally do not want to have kids that are under-acheiving brats, only do the wild thang from August- February.  Otherwise, you asked for it!



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      Bobbi Bacha wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I totally think this study if flawed as my oldest a winter child is brilliant, its my summer kids I have to motivate.



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      Anystartwithlu wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • The point of the study is for the researchers to make money on statistics that are probably slanted to fit whatever the person/entity paying for the study wants to prove.  Health care (at least in the USA) is not so much about people anymore as it is paperwork and profits.

      Who does not remember the bailout scandals where hundreds of billions of dollars were given to large insurance corporations, who then turned around and gave bonuses in the hundreds of millions to their corporate executives?

      I work with adults who have diagnoses of mental retardation and developmental disabilities.  So long as the correct boxes are filled in on the paperwork, the powers that be don’t really care about the quality of life of our residents.  

      For example, one lady had been bleeding from November 2008 through April of 2009.  As she is a ward of the state, authorization for a needed operation had to go through the court system.  Eventually the court paperwork was “lost” and she was faced with additional wait time while the whole process was started over again.  In the meantime, her condition worsened and she went to the hospital on an emergency, where doctor went ahead and did a complete hysterectomy on that basis.  During that stay, part of one of her lungs collapsed and she was put on oxygen 24/7 for several weeks - and she still wears a “bi-pap” machine when she sleeps.  

      Eventually she was sent back ‘home’ and out to classes the next day (have to get those check marks in the books).  Two days later, she went back to the hospital with aspiration pneumonia.  

      After that stay, she came back home and back out to classes...but she was lucky; it was a whole week before she had to go back to the hospital again, this time on suspicion of gallstones.  The tests run apparently showed that it was not gallstones, but all of a sudden this woman, who maybe had 1-2 seizures a month (sometimes less) had FIVE in one day - one so severe that her lips turned blue.

      Hands up anyone who would want to return to a 6am-9pm full schedule the day after they came home from the hospital in any of the above cases?

      So, I put little (if indeed, any) stock in flawed ‘research’ that is used to pigeonhole or prove...well, anything.



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      Janie Emaus wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • People with too much time on their hands!



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      Yvette Johnson wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I believe gentlemen love to study women.  Being a woman, I am flattered at that.  Some men try to analyze every little detail and nuance, then make fancy charts to explain the who what where and why.  I understand the economic value of the study,  but, like most statistics - the numbers aren’t perfect, they can be sequed to promote a specific theory, they aren’t inclusive of everyone and they are subject to change.  Just think of the mothers who have upcoming due dates who have read this article. . . they are  probably in a tizzy, calling their mothers, husbands and girlfriends while clambering to purchase every educational baby toy to make sure their “Winter Brat” gets a jump start and doesn’t fall through the cracks.  Anything to keep our economy going.  You go girls!



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      Cynthia Schmidt wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I concur - it’s all rubbish. And like Annie I also heard a conflicting study relating to kids born mid year and being more mature and larger by the time they enter school, making them more prepared, smarter and bigger and more coordinated for sports.

      Junk.



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      Karyn Olson wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Waste of time and money if you ask me...who the heck cares? Not me...I have two girls one born in August and the other in December...they are total opposites...like oil and water...but I love them both whether they are smart or not (they both are) it would not matter to me...happy



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      Shellby wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Good grief! I am sick of “studies“. Majority of these things are so skewed it is laughable. You can make a study find anything that you want. I have 2 boys. One summer and one winter. Both are very intelligent, outgoing, and very witty. I would hate for this to be used to label our children again!



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      Vikki Hall wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I don’t get it! Why? And for what purpose?

      However I can see that having babies in the spring or summer would make it easier on new parents learning how to dress their babies......fewer clothes and fewer worries on hurting the baby!



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      Geralyn Schulkind wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Poppycock!!  I know way too many wonderfully, successful and very intelligent people born in the winter months!  tongue out



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      Kimberly Von Holtz wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I have to agree with Yana. Who funds these studies????? I an a Cappi, my son an Aquarius and my daughter a Pisces and none of us fit those descriptions.



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      Pinkyd1965 wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • I’m a winter baby (Dec 31!). If only my parents had known the problems I would face. But now I can use this as an excuse everytime I fail or fall short in something. “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know driving the wrong way on a one way street would cause trouble, because I’m a winter baby!” I guess my job was outsourced because I’m a winter baby, therefore I can’t pay my rent or car payment.  

      This “study” is a bigger crock than the “My Family is Dysfunctional” line of reasoning.

      I thought the only problem with my birthday was getting shortchanged on presents!

      Marta
      www.willworkforbeads.ecrater.com



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      Kandykahne 5 wrote Nov 3, 2009
    • Totally ridiculous! My brother is a January baby and is very successful. Owns his own business, has a great family, nice house, Chief of the Fire Dept.



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      Katalin Goencz wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • Many years ago I have read a study that stated that breast feeding is bad for the baby. That did me in! Ever since that study, that was of course later revised, I am not listening to any studies.
      On the side note; the US government did a study of the flow of the ketchup. What was a point to that?!?!?



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      Max0125 wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • I think that it studies such as this is such a waste of money. My pet peave when it come to studies is not only the stupid ones such as the recent study on why men do not wear condoms but the repetetive ones. Do we really need another studie that handwashing prevents disease? Really!



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      Sarayu wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • I agree with all of you.  What a waste of time and money.  Now the goverment is going to dictate how smart our children are...I would like to see where they place their children on this waste of time and money system that they came up with.  Enough of their happy horse crap.  Don’t believe them.
      SaRaYu



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      Encee wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • Yana, I feel the same way.  You know in the last few months I got an email report that told me, are you ready?, that a study  had been done that showed mothers of autistic kids experienced more stress than mothers who did not have autistic kids.  I had to sit back and wonder why anyone would ask such stupid questions!

      I haven’t looked it up but I’m sitting here wondering how many famous people - presidents, kings and queens, famous doctors, etc. were born in the  winter months.  It would be interesting to see how many people who didn’t too very well in school did so well in life!



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      Wittymom wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • Really? I can’t do anything but shake my head when I read this type of poorly funded drivel.  I guess I better go tell the 100 year old Capricorn I know that she won’t be living a long life....



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      Susie119 wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • Sorry,I don’t think surveys are totally accurate,best freinds daughter, December born, straight “A” student all through school, and is now a successful young adult.



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      Moodydee wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • It is just what they are studies....it ain’t the word of God...thank God he says I am “wonderfully” made!!!!!estatic



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      Esther Bloom wrote Nov 4, 2009
    • Well I was a young mother and all three of my children fall in those months!!!! WTF my children are so brilliant I wonder where they came from...ME!!!  So who ever gets paid to do these studies should try to figure out how to end war, hunger and everythingestaticestaticestaticestaticestatic bad!!!



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      Yana Berlin wrote Nov 5, 2009
    • That is exactly why I gave this study an award frown



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      Denise Richardson wrote Nov 5, 2009
    • I totally agree with Cindylou, whats the point geesh!!!!frown



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      Tammy Slater-Kendrick wrote Nov 5, 2009
    • I"m getting to this "party" a little late, but just thought I would throw in my two cents worth. Sure, we all know just how stupid FDR, Abe Lincoln, James Joyce and John Grisham (among many others) are - and just how little money John Travolta, Michael Bloomberg, Oprah and Michael Jordan make (they are all fellow Aquarians).  

      How absurd! You know what they say about numbers - you can make them say anything you want if you manipulate them enough!



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      Tamra wrote Nov 9, 2009
    • Gosh, I was born in March, and I was so stupid I was......VALEDICTORIAN of my high school class!!!

      Pure absurdity.

      But hey, maybe I can qualify for some federal grant money now that I know I am handicapped/disadvantaged.  estatic



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      Pharmagirl wrote Nov 9, 2009
    • Yana, whatever point you want to make, there will be a study to support it. Tomorrow, we’ll discover another study that concludes that those born in the winter months are destined to be smarter, healthier and happier.  

      I agree with Janie - people with too much time on their hands!



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      Faye43 wrote Dec 12, 2009
    • Poppycock!!!happy



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