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  • Abortion vs Miscarriage

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    32 posts, 11 voices, 1495 views, started Jul 17, 2009

    Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 by Mz. Queen

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    • IMHO, the Bible says nothing about abortion because it is a man made term, coming from the act of inducing the birth of a fetus as so to interrupt gestation for the sake of killing and stopping growth for whatever reason.  

         When a woman loses a baby naturally it is called or referred to as a miscarriage. Miscarriages happen spontaneously when the body is attempting to correct itself.

      WikipediaAn abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus/embryo, resulting in or caused by its death. An abortion can occur spontaneously due to complications during pregnancy or can be induced, in humans and other species. In the context of human pregnancies, an abortion induced to preserve the health of the gravida (pregnant female) is termed a therapeutic abortion, while an abortion induced for any other reason is termed an elective abortion. The term abortion most commonly refers to the induced abortion of a human pregnancy, while spontaneous_ abortions are usually termed miscarriages._

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          Vikki Hall wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • I have had a miscarriage when I was 4 mos along and during the whole process (including the D and C that followed) all the medical staff kept referring to it as an abortion. Of course at that time I was very emotional and “went off” on my Dr. He explained that it was just medical talk and not a statement.
          I am pretty sure the dusting n cleaning is similar to abortions according to the info I was given.



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          Cindylouwho1966 wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • D&C can be a type of abortion, but mostly the process is used to make sure there is nothing left in the uterus to cause infection. D&C would have been the proper choice of wording, as it doesn’t denote “abortion” the way most people think of it.



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          Coachmombabe wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Back in the day (right out of high school), I worked in the pathology lab of the local hospital. Some doctors performed abortions there at that time. All of them were called therapeutic abortions. So I guess any kind of stress over being pregnant would warrant a therapeutic abortion (TBA as we called them).This hospital no longer does that.



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          Vikki Hall wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Annie wasn’t that dangerous for the woman? Where they expecting her to carry to full term then deliver?
          So sad....



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          Deb Darby wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Annie, that’s just TERRIBLE about your friend! I notice you changed your terminology, though. “Everyone kept asking her when the  baby  was due“. They knew and she knew it was a baby. It WAS a baby, but he/she (by the 3rd trimester, it would have been obvious) was deceased. Where was the common sense? Maybe I don’t understand all of the medical ramifications, but yes, I wonder like Vicki, wasn’t that dangerous for yoru friend?



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • During one of my D&C’s while still pregnant, I asked what was the difference between it and an abortion.  I was told that it was the same procedure, the difference being the viability of the pregnancy.

          FYI, I underwent several years of fertility treatment.  Twice, I had a fertilized egg that would not develop.  When discovered, my dr terminated the pregnancies.  The dr labeled my situation a miscarriage, although I had not yet expelled anything.  The procedure to terminate the pregnancy was labeled a D&C even though it was exactly like an abortion, the difference being that the egg could not develop any further.



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          Cindylouwho1966 wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • When I found out I was pregnant in 1989, I made the mistake of telling my (female) boss that I was scared and didn’t know what we were going to do (living in a $200 apartment we still couldn’t afford rent in, hubby just into electrical internship and not steady jobs yet, being young, etc.) Never specifically said the word “abortion.”

          A couple weeks later, after I miscarried and was feeling bad, I talked to her again. She said to me-well, you didn’t want it anyway.



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          Deb Darby wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Annie, you then called it a “dead fetus“.



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          Deb Darby wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Lu, so sorry.



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • I know people just don’t know what to say sometimes, so when they are offering sympathy, the wrong words sometime come out.

          Like after a miscarriage when people try to help by saying, “Just remember, you can get pregnant again.”  That seems to discount the sorrow of losing your baby.  There is truly a loss that needs to be grieved, not glossed over and ignored.  And it doesn’t matter how far along you are when the miscarriage occurs.  It is a heartwrenching loss under any circumstances.

          My heart goes out to the fabfriends who have known such a loss.



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          Vikki Hall wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Tamra thank you for the right words and sentiment!



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          Mz. Queen wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Annie,

          I like the difference between a baby and a fetus as explained in your posting. Whether you said it or quoted it.

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          UK Girl wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • I lost a baby at 8 months – he strangled himself with the cord – and I was induced so I had to go on the labour ward with other mothers and go through the whole saga – the worst bit was as it all happened over a weekend – we thought something was wrong Friday morning and by 4pm Friday afternoon we knew he was dead I went home packed a back and we went in – on the ward was three very young girls all just 16 who hadn't been for any lessons etc; so I'm holding their hands – showing them how to breath – the whole nine yards – they had hardly any clothes for the new born – no family support – anything and here was I who had house , room , everything – done lessons , healthy diet ......... and would be going home with nothing ......

           I had to go through a whole labour thankfully only 5 hours and came home with nothing – I got pregnant with my fabulous child 6 months later



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • To some of us, even before it’s born, we have fallen in love with the little fetus/baby.  So I think that’s why some may want to say they have a “baby” rather than a “fetus” even before birth.  

          While I was pregnant, I talked to my fetus/baby and told him how much I loved him and anticipated meeting him.  I know I would have had a hard time saying “I love my fetus.”  There again, I guess it’s just terminology.  Human affection is better associated with a baby than a fetus.



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Vicki, very sorry you had to go through that heartbreaking experience.  You were so generous to help those young girls in the midst of such devastating circumstances.  Your strength inspires me!



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          UK Girl wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Tamra - if I hadn’t had this happen I would have been in a private room all in a cocoon and not even known they were there but it did happen so I helped but also something good came from this.
          Prior to this happening if the baby was born / miscarried after 6 months – the parents could hold the baby and then it was "disposed of" you couldn't bury it – it was classed as medical waste. Fortunately I had my baby in a hospital which was part maternity and part geriatric and my midwife knew an old man had died the same night so she spoke to his family – he was called Samuel – so my boy was named Samuel and he was buried with the older Samuel they travelled to the next life together – my uncle and godmother (both childless ) we leading politicians and suddenly saw how brutal and un necessary this was so they changed the law so babies born prematurely after 6 months could be accorded a proper burial.
          As I always say the man only gives you what you can handle and he also works in other ways – so my grief helped other people in their grief .... I'm also grateful to a wonderful midwife.



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Wow!  That is a tremendous story!  Sometimes something good can come from tragedy.  Thanks for allowing it to be!



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          Deb Darby wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Vicki, that’s such a beautiful story...brought tears to my eyes. You have read “The Shack“, right?



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Debj, I am reading it now.  But getting sidetracked with all the summer fun around me.  I may not really get to finish it until school starts back up next month.  Can’t wait!



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          Tamra wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Good point, Annie.  That also goes back to your previous point about getting too caught up in terminology.  We sometimes pick a certain word when we could have used another in order to make a point.  Yet either term expresses the same thought.  We can see daily how the media exploits that behavior!

          Oh yes, I agree, “fetus” does sound rather clinical.



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          Cindylouwho1966 wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Vicki, i am glad you were able to give to others during such a sad situation. The part about him traveling with the old man made me sweetly sad.



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          Coachmombabe wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • I’m so sorry for all of you who experienced such sad losses. I’m sorry that people treated your loss so flippantly. My sister lost her baby girl on her due date. It was devastating.



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          Doreen XoXo wrote Jul 17, 2009
        • Oh Vicki,  yes...like Lu has said, Samuel Jr traveling over with Samuel Sr really touched my heart.  

          xoxo



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