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  • Immigration - Are we doing enough? What can we do differently?

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    21 posts, 12 voices, 1186 views, started May 11, 2011

    Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2011

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      Taken from today’s NY Times:

      “President Obama spoke in the border city of El Paso on Tuesday to argue that he is doing his part to crack down on illegal immigration. He also encouraged Republicans to join him in overhauling the nation's immigration laws for the millions of workers already here illegally.”

      Do you think Obama is really doing his part to crack down on illegal immigration or is this another campaign speech?

      What can we do differently/better??

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          Tamra wrote May 11, 2011
        • His speech yesterday in Texas was full of misstatements.  Houston talk radio is blasting him this morning.

          I think it’s a shame that many Americans think Mexicans who have immigrated illegally into the United States, are here living the “good life” most of us experience.  My little Southeast Texas town is over-ridden by poor illegal aliens who are being taken advantage of in the day labor market.  How any liberal could think that's acceptable is beyond me.

          Is there any doubt that Mexicans would surely prefer to live in their native country with their families experiencing their native culture if they had decent jobs earning a living that would support them?  If we truly care about the plight of Mexicans, we should do something that can actually help them.  In my opinion, we should be pressuring the Mexican government to clean up the rampant corruption that exists there.  We should advise the Mexican government to use its military forces to fight the drug cartels and other thugs taking over the country.  I find it ironic that our federal government is eager to run half way around the world to fight for democracy in the Middle East, while our neighboring country is mistreating its own people by subjecting them to a corrupt, violent system.  

          Living much too close to the border violence, I have deep seated emotions on the issue.  Drug cartels are beginning to corrupt Texas counties and officials, moving northward over time.  Places that used to be safe tourist areas in Texas are no longer good sites to visit with your families.  Allowing the illegal immigration to continue will cause the problem to get worse, and bring more violence further into the United States.  

          Yesterday, Pres O said that border cities are now safer than many other US cities.  Really?  Where has he been?  Seriously?  Did he not hear about the UT-Brownsville campus shut down due to gunfire in Matamoras crossing over into Brownsville?  Did he not hear about the Juarez gunfire hitting the El Paso City Hall building?  If he says the statistics support his statement, I suspect it's only because he is skewing the data, or law enforcement has simply stopped fighting/reporting it.  I know from speaking with friends in South Texas, they do not believe their safety has improved one bit!



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          Tamra wrote May 11, 2011
        • Indeed!  Tighten the border, Mr. President!



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          Cathie Beck wrote May 11, 2011
        • I agree. There is more about illegal immigrants than meets the eye. I feel for those that are escaping the violence in Mexico and only seeking a livelihood here to survive, but then the issue of tightening our borders to prevent Mexico’s violence from affecting border states is something that needs to be done. Also, Mexico should be more involved in border control than it is for being a “Good Neighbor“.  

          Cathie



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          Max0125 wrote May 11, 2011
        • I agree wth Tamra. It is a very complicated issue ad I wish that we would empower Mexico to clean up their country.

          Mary



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          Angelcart wrote May 11, 2011
        • Tamra, well said and I completely understand as you and I are neighbors.  When I was a kid I lived in Brownsville (border town to Matamoros).  And boy have things changed.  I believe a big reason the state that Mexico is in is due to the corrupt officials.  This is a very sore subject with me.  I could go on and on about things that happen here that is printed locally but you don’t hear about it on Fox or CNN.  

          When I drive to Office Depot and on the way to work there are day laborers hanging out just waiting for someone to pick them up for work.  One morning it was very sad, we saw a truck pull up and every man literally RAN to the truck for work.  I get angry due to a lot of gangs/crime by illegals (don’t pounce on me citizens commit crimes too!) but I also see the other side.

          I did see the speach where Obama was booed in El Paso.  We drove through El Pasa last year coming back from UT and I tell you, you couldn’t pay me enough to live there!

          Sorry, I got long winded but to answer the original question......No, I don’t think enough is being done.



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          Cheekymonkey wrote May 11, 2011
        • While I sympathize with the citizens of Mexico. We need a no tolerance. Illegal is still the word that people are forgetting. Do you know if an illegal is caught crossing Into Mexico they are not  sent back to their country they are shot. But if we want to inforce our laws on illegals here in LA your a rasist ....again the easy ugly card!!!
          California is broke and a huge part was due to illigals being able to get welfare, medical, food stamps, free lunches for their children that now classes are taught in Spanish and English try to tell me that isnt distracting for the English speaking children, also the rate of crime and drugs. Oh yes and don’t forget B of A allowing ILLEGAL immigrants to open up bank accounts ....
          What part of illegal is everyone missing? I have good good friends that are here legally and they are just as pissed.
          Illegal means breaking our laws, illegal means accountability for those actions. Basically they are stealing by taking the resources ment to help people legally here. At approximately 10 grand per household on adverage and that’s ok so why not let the bank robber rob up to ten grand and say ok too???
          This seems hard but illegal is illegal and if you are here illegally you are not entitled or have rights.
          I’m tierd of the protests and demands for their rights here when by our law you shouldn’t be here!
          A good friends brother was here illegally and told him the same. I’m all for legal.
          My husband is legal. He has his green card why should some and not all?



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          Cathie Beck wrote May 12, 2011
        • Good points, Cris!  

          Cathie



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          Tuliplady wrote May 12, 2011
        • I agree with Cris.  What part of illegal don’t people get?  Round them up and ship them back!  If they want to go thru legal channels, fine, let them come.

          We need immigrants because a lot of Americans have gotten too lazy and hoity toity to do a lot of jobs that imigrants are glad to have just because it’s a job.  But they need to be here legally and they need to learn to SPEAK ENGLISH!

          Clearly our border is not secure enough.



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          Vikki Hall wrote May 12, 2011
        • TL you are right about the jobs... there are so many lower paying jobs that Americans don’t want.

          Really a lot of good points here but why are we only focusing on the southern border?



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          Tamra wrote May 12, 2011
        • True, all of our borders should be secure, but I think we focused on the Mexican border in this discussion because Pres O was talking about it himself this week.

          Lots of good points have been made here.  Good discussion, friends, and very insightful comments.

          Annie brings up a good question.  If there was a shortage of labor to do the jobs that illegals do now, wages for those jobs would rise in order to attract workers.  By letting illegals continue to arrive in droves and remain here, we are subjecting them to a life of low pay, non-existent benefits, and unsafe work environments.  It’s sad that we, the United States citizens, treat people like that.  And given his speech, it’s apparent to me that Pres O wants to keep them in the situation they find themselves living in here.  How can he be so cruel?  Why doesn’t he use the influence of the US gov’t to pressure the Mexican gov’t to clean up its country of the corruption rather than keep them enslaved here?  Obviously he doesn’t care about the Mexicans, he only cares about getting re-elected.  But, I digress.

          Anglecart, I was recently in your old stomping grounds when we visited Pt Mansfield.  Friends there who have lived in South Texas all their lives tell us they are afraid to go to areas down in Brownsville now.  They hear of Texas officials regularly caught up in the drug cartel corruption.  Acts of violence are now common in many areas.  Very sad to me that I can’t take my kids to see Mexico and learn about the country as I did many years ago myself.  It has become much too dangerous.

          Eva, exactly right!  We should stand up to the drug cartels.  They are bullies of the worst kind!  In order to be effective, we will need the Mexican officials to stand strong beside us in the fight.  But that won’t be easy.  Corruption runs rampant.  (We can’t even get the Mexicans to properly investigate the David Hartley murder on Falcon Lake (couple on jet skis on Texas-Mexico border), so I don’t have much confidence they will work with us against the drug cartels at this point since so many of them are being paid off with drug money.)  I suspect it will take a great deal of pressure from the US to gain their cooperation.

          And it's very  scary to think about the border breech when looking beyond Mexican immigration.  Let's imagine who else is breeching the border daily.  Some of those folks are not coming here to take our jobs. They are coming here to take our lives.

          Doesn’t Pres O care about our safety?



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          Cheekymonkey wrote May 13, 2011
        • I think apart of why we focus on Mexico is because of all the drug trade and the fact that they come here illegally and demand our rights. We as citizens are intitialed. I also think the other bourders are harder to cross so we feel safer. Which isn’t smart either. Plus if your a citizen of say the uk it’s easier to get a visa so people are willing to wait.
          Plus since you have to apply for a visa in your home country and Mexico is starving it’s citizens forcing them to cross here to make the wages here and alot goes back to Mexico they send money to their families which they spend there. Helping that government stay strong.
          Did you know that one if the biggest source of money to Mexico is the money that illegals send back to Mexico ? It’s a circle that unless we say enough and stop all illegal activity from drugs to people living here will continue. Cutting off that source of money to Mexico will force the government there to change and ours as well those jobs still need to be done and without the illegals our citizens would have jobs especially if we cut out welfare. Forces people to work and will raise the amount of pay which will be put back into our economy due to spending it here.
          It’s a circle that is vicious.



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          Tamra wrote May 13, 2011
        • Cheeky, you make another good point.  When I was CFO of a credit union here in Texas, I saw thousands of dollars wired back to Mexico constantly.  A person doesn’t have to have a social security number to open an account at a financial institution in the US, so many in this region cater to illegal aliens in order to attract their business.  I’m 100% certain you‘re also right in saying the Mexican gov’t wants its people here earning money that will be sent back to the Mexican economy.  They won’t be interested in helping secure the border without US pressure to do so.

          (Annie, thanks for the compliment.)



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          Cheekymonkey wrote May 13, 2011
        • You don’t need the social but you need an ID and another form for citizens where as B of A was only taking the Mexico ID as form of proof no second ID or visa/permanent resident/ green card needed. Discrimination much????
          I understand that the thought of Corp banking was to help keep some money here but it didn’t work.
          I think it’s shameful that we even allow American companies to go down and do business there. If we shut down our bourders and had american companies have to apply for a business visa or such it might bring the business home but why would we do that?
          American business stimulates Mexicos economy on paper while greedy president does favors to keep our companies happy the companies there have low wages , no workers comp, insurance, unemployment, or benefits to pay to their workers and that increases their bottom line so they can have bigger pull in Washington. More money more money!!!
          And the people there get hit heavily with the taxes and work permits so they can work for an American company! Uugghhhh!!!
          If the right thing was done, here in our own country we would keep our companies and help our citizens and economic growth!!!
          Also forcing Mexicos prez to change his country and benefit it’s growth in products other than drugs but what money lines his pockets????  

          Cris



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          Marya1961 wrote May 13, 2011
        • This is a subject that gets into my craw.

          Tamra, you bring up right on target points, as I have also wondered why the Mexican government does not need to be responsible for their people..is it easier to ship everyone over the border, so their government can get fat and bloated on money, whilst the US is now responsible for the illegals.

          If I am correct, the immigrants that came over 100 years ago, went through a process..going through Ellis Island, many were quarantined because of disease and they wanted to be AMERICANS!  Our ancestors fought long and hard to learn English, develop communities and work for the good of America.  Why should it be any different now, President Obama?

          I have a Mexican neighbor across the street, he is a nice person, but his pay check is sent to Mexico to help feed his family there..it does not make sense as this poor guy is trying to take care of his American wife and little girl, they barely make ends meet and her mother is helping them financially.

          My son who works construction and likes it, is the ONLY young white man working with illegal mexican men, who again send their pay checks to Mexico.

          I don’t understand the Mexican government at all!



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