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  • This is the other side to Annie's question

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    37 posts, 11 voices, 1110 views, started Feb 23, 2011

    Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2011 by Cheekymonkey




    • I’m very interested in “why” supporters of our current leadership feel there is no need to have our own oil drilling? Why should we pay for outside oil?  What do you think our leadership is doing to protect us and help us?
      How do you see our nation going?
      Now , I am not wanting any negatives at each other I’m hoping that we can discuss or debate it maybe see another side.
      I know this is a hot topic for some but respect is the name of the game here.
      Thank you
      Cris

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          Vikki Hall wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • So true to what Eva and Annie said. I am an Obama supporter (my 1st pick Hillary didnt make it tho) however I am not opposed to drilling here.

          I believe drilling here would be great for our country. Just like I said when Annie posted this about drilling I seriously think we are trying to weaken others reserves before we tap our own.

          And correct me if I’m wrong..... Is Prez O the ONLY President that was opposed to drilling?



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          Vikki Hall wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • I agree with that! Our economy needs us to!!!



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          Cathie Beck wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • I’m not opposed to drilling for oil here in the US, I think it should’ve begun Years ago for independence from other countries oil supply. Back in the Gulf War in the 80’s oil rigs were set on fire deliberately to affect the US economy and thumb their noses at this country. It’s not time to use up other countries oil, it’s time to tap into our own resources.

          Cathie



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          Tamra wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Yes, we should be producing our own energy here in the U.S.  Being closely tied to the oil business, I can say with certainty that we have ample o&g reserves to supply our nation for many years.  Simultaneously, alternative sources of energy should be further explored, perhaps by ramping up tax incentives to encourage more development.  It is highly unnecessary for us to be dependent on the Middle East for oil.  That is, if the federal gov’t will get out of the way and allow the exploration companies to produce.  I’ll even go out on a limb here....  I believe that supplying our own energy needs could greatly improve the declining quality of life we are experiencing here in the U.S. today.



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          UK Girl wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • My view and bite me if I’m wrong but we all got greedy and consumed with no thought of tomorrow and then suddenly we had all this green house gas and go green etc so we went from one extreme to another and as usual no happy medium was found.



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          Tamra wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Excellent point Vicki!  The knee-jerk reaction complex!  It makes for good drama to get attention.



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          Tamra wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • MB, could you please provide some data that supports that position?  If significant, it can be remedied with foreign trade regulation, especially considering our national security issues.



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          Tuliplady wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Ok, I’m going to play the devil’s advocate for just a moment.  Those of you who are saying “drill” do you want that old well, or that refinery or that pipeline in your backyard?

          Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the USA producing ALL our own energy, but I can’t help thinking of George Carlin’s NIMBY theory.  Everyone wants these things, but “not in my back yard.”  Well, they’ve got to be in someone’s back yard and that’s part of where the problem starts.    

          One group doesn’t want us drilling in their backyard on account of polar bears, another group doesn’t want us drilling on account of whales or whatever. Another group doesn’t want a nueclear reactor in their neighborhood, but they also want to shut down coal mines, so what are ya gonna do?

          My thought is anything that creates American jobs is a good thing.



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          UK Girl wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Tulip your so right ...... same everywhere ......



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          Tamra wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Lol!!  estatic  Well, I, for one, can say the refineries, the chemical plants, the wells, etc. are all in my back yard!  And I still say, drill!  I think you’ll find that most of my fellow Houstonians agree with me, too.  Economically speaking, we have fared much better than the rest of the nation.  The job loss rate here is much better than in most places, and housing prices have not fallen as dramatically here.  And it’s due in part to the jobs and tax revenue generated by the petrochemical industry.  

          Hate the oil companies if you will, but considering what they provide to the betterment of our lives, it seems rather hypocritical to me.  Should they be monitored for safety and health matters?  Absolutely, but don’t shut down drilling, unless you are willing to sacrifice a large part of the American way of life.  Even if we don’t drive gas guzzling vehicles, we use lots of petrochemical products every day, directly and indirectly.  We all need oil to sustain our way of life.

          And that’s why I say, “Drill!”



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          Tamra wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Gracias, Ann.  estatic



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          Tuliplady wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • I agree Tamra!

          I will also say that I am an environmentalist, but I firmly believe that drilling and mining can be done in ways that give us the energy we need while still taking care of our earth, and provide jobs (if any of these young people have the gumption to work at them!)



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          Cheekymonkey wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • estatic very interesting ladies. I know that not every group will be happy with the drilling but Alaska and the coast are huge with oil and if your looking at the big picture yes something will have to be damaged inorder for us to help the country. But there is a bigger picture and selling it inside our own country will help economic growth faster.
          Thanks for a great discussion ladies
          Cris



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          Tamra wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • You are so right, Tulip!  My husband and I have been involved with a conservation group for over 20 years, and we have a great appreciation for the natural resources, especially along the coast.  Yet, it does not mean we have to be anti-drill enthusiasts.  There are ways that these two priorities can be reconciled if we will keep an open mind.



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          Tuliplady wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Bernadette made a good point about our oil going overseas.  I read somewhere that most of the oil we already produce in Alaska gets put on tankers and goes to Japan.  Somehow that seems wrong to me.  Isn’t it a shorter trip to just ship it down the coast to our own states?

          Why don’t they just let us Fabulous women run the world?



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          UK Girl wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • Tulip your so right .......
          A fabber kitchen table government all common sense which is always lacking with government and down to earth normality.

          We have a new government which is a coalition of two parties and the leader asked all the successful business men to look at where we were losing money and wasting it - strangely enough they made huge savings within a week  - like Government offices having 12 types of pens to chose from which was cost millions - they now have one type the cheapest !



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          Vikki Hall wrote Feb 23, 2011
        • All interesting points! I’m till for drilling here and creating jobs here!

          Marie I’m trying to open your link now but the hotel connection is slooooooooooow!



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          Tamra wrote Feb 24, 2011
        • Don’t mean any disrespect, but the article referenced above contains some serious errors in its rather simplistic view of the o&g market.  It was not written by an o&g trading expert, but rather by a known liberal member of the media.  And some of the conclusions he made are seriously flawed.

          Remember the supply and demand theories taught in our economics classes?  Regardless of who buys the oil produced here or anywhere, capitalism/trade will allow the price of oil to fall if more supply is put out there in the market.  We’ve seen it time and time again.  When OPEC wants prices to increase, they shut off the flow.  And we’ve seen the converse as well.  You want to see oil prices fall?  Then we’ve got to find more oil available for trading.

          Furthermore, he mentions that the oil companies are profit driven and will sell their oil to anyone or any country.  Oil companies face heavy regulation from the federal and state governments, not to mention all forms of foreign trade.  I suggest that if we want the oil produced in the US or nearby US waters to be sold to US refineries, then the feds should establish foreign trade and taxation laws that encourage that to happen.  Of course, that may increase the price of oil since it eliminates elements of free trade, but it would help reduce our dependence on foreign oil, thereby helping to insure our national security.

          I strongly believe that with a little leadership, open-mindedness, and creative thinking, an oil crisis could easily be averted.  But first it is imperative that we remove the politics from the equation if we are to find a solution.



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          Cathie Beck wrote Feb 24, 2011
        • Hear, hear, Tamra!  

          Cathie



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          Cheekymonkey wrote Feb 24, 2011
        • @MB I read the link and I have to agree with Tamera. I was about to say that part of our oil going to japan was part of a trade but I can’t remember the details of an article I read awhile back on this so I might have it wrong. Does anyone have info on this? I’m sorry I don’t remember details. But I really think if we sold more oil to ourselfs which would be the case that it would see a turn around faster. A hundred dollars a barrel!!! That’s what it is right now we can expect to see our costs go up very very soon. And with everything going up and the state of our unemployment where will that leave our country? More important where does that leave our citizens? It’s a very scary time and something needs to be done and quickly.
          Cristen



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          UK Girl wrote Feb 25, 2011
        • Okay I saw this in the Daily Telegraph which is a good UK newspaper  

          Libya puts President Barack Obama in a bind on Gulf of Mexico deepwater oil drilling
          US President Barack Obama faces growing calls to allow deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico for the first time since last year’s spill, as oil prices break the $100 mark in the US and Americans pay more to fill up their cars.

          The rest of the story is here [Link Removed]


          Ukgirl, Your links have been removed, please consider upgrading to premium membership.



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          UK Girl wrote Feb 25, 2011
        • When your in  hard place and oil is king and dictates the pace and price of the economy you have to bow to that



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          Tamra wrote Feb 25, 2011
        • Thanks for sharing the article and your sensible thoughts, Vicki.  Like it or not, our lives are indeed dependent on oil.  And until that changes, we simply must produce enough to meet our needs.  In the US, we have ample reserves to remove dependence on foreign oil IF we are allowed to go get it.

          Might the same be true in GB?



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          Cheekymonkey wrote Feb 26, 2011
        • With the price at 100 dollars and rising we have no choice. The adverage American household has 2.3 cars so let’s just say 2 cars and they drive on an adverage of 15 miles to and from work. But the cost of living is increasing but the pay isn’t . That means that those 15 miles one way became the equivalent of 30 miles one way due to cost. And then that means you can’t afford to use both cars or travel or add anything back into our country.
          Now say we sold our oil to ourselfs cutting down the cost of shipping and pick up and hauling to and from different sites you can probably knock min. 13 to 19.00 dollars off a barrel. Now take away your import tax say another 10.00 ( I might be thinking high) and your ports fee at another 5.00 along with insurance from across the ocean and regulations and pay for licenses ect .... You probably have at min. Knocked that 100.00 dollars to 60.00 dollars.
          What does that due? Puts money back in Americans pockets that they will spend and helps the economy grow by capital.
          Let’s drill. Time is important.
          Cristen



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          Tamra wrote Feb 26, 2011
        • Good points, Cristen.  And don’t forget about all the transportation costs included in the price of goods and services, not to mention all the other petrochemicals products we use constantly.  Heck, no one would be here on Fab40 posting on their computers if it we had no oil for plastics!  lol!



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