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What do you think about the 15 year old girl in Washington State whose school actually helped her go in to terminate a pregnancy?
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      Cynthia Schmidt wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • For me this just boggles the mind. I know the parents signed a consent form for off site treatment for their child but the language in there had to be vague.




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      Denise Richardson wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • ohhhhI was floored when I heard of this it is just sickening to me period for anyone to kill and not give a new life a chance at life I was so peed with this decision.




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      Angelcart wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I haven’t heard of this.  Even if they signed a form for treatment for off site care, I can’t see how they could get “abortion” out of that!  Despicable is all I can say.




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      Cynthia Schmidt wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I know. I don’t think that too many parents would just sign something giving permission for a school to help a child get an abortion.




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      Trudy S wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • As a resident of WA state, and working with ‘at risk’ youth - I think you shouldn’t judge a story by what you hear on the radio/tv/news.

      We don’t know what kind of situation this girl came from - we don’t know why she didn’t trust her mother to share such a life changing decision with her.

      It is the law in WA that EVERYONE (age 14 and up) has the right to make their own choice about their bodies without ‘pressure’ from anyone else...including parents.  

      Parents don’t HAVE TO sign anything to make that OK.  It is a HIPPA law.

      My thought? Careful about throwing stones until you have walked in that girls shoes.




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      Cristina Corral wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • WHAT??

      I don’t know the situation and perhaps Trudy since you live in WA you can shed some light..... but as a parent of a tween, if she became pregnant (God forbid) I would want to know first hand, I would expect her school to tell me, I would expect that a physician would tell me and I would not sign anything that allowed anyone else but her parents or nearest relative to be in control of when and how she was going to terminate the pregnancy.

      Now if the WA teen had a history of any type of abuse at home, I still would expect that the Youth Authority (Child Dependency Court) would step in and have one of their advocates take the girl rather than the school!  My gosh, the schools throughout our country are so ill equipped for kids with disabilities what would make them equipped to handle this?

      This is, of course, if the story is true and it’s my own personal opinion!!  That is what is so great about Fab40 that we all have opinions.  

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      Mztracy wrote Mar 25, 2010
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      here is the story. NO school should do this.  

      And if you are a minor, no matter what is signed, the parent should be contacted first!!!


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      Mztracy wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • oops posted wrong lol




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      Angell VillafaƱe wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I haven’t heard about this but I think it was very wrong for the school to have had any dealings in this situation. What a stupid law that is in WA. There really should be something in that law that states an age limit on making this sort of choice for oneself...parents ought to be involved and if the home life is deemed unfit for the teenager then I agree with Cristina that a youth advocate ought to be brought in...not the school. What a stupid law!




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      Frannie1964 wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I haven’t heard about this either, but I agree with Cristina.




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      Trudy S wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • That is a VERY biased story.  It is only quoting the mother’s opinion of what happened.

      As it is being reported in full here on the radio (I don’t have TV)via NPR is that the school referred her to a clinic that handles all aspects of reproductive health.

      The way the make it sound in that article is that the laid her down in the school cafeteria and did it to her.

      Come on ladies...you know there has to be more to this story than that.  This is “manufactured outrage” plugged by TV station to get its ratings up....it is trying to get the hue & cry going over a very hot issue without ever giving the whole story.  

      And honestly, I have personally seen some ‘young women’ come through our org who have family lives from HELL and I would totally understand if they didn’t want their mothers, fathers or anyone else calling the shots for them.  They are the ones who messed them up (not got them pregnant) in the first place.

      Or maybe it was her father, or her brother or Mom’s new boyfriend.  

      This story needs more depth to it to be fully understood.

      I know I sure trust everything I see on TV and read on the internet...don’t you?tongue out




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      Lazylola wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • Good points Trudy, but if I had a daughter I would hope to have a relationship with her that was close enough that she would trust me and come to me. I have 3 boys and I try to keep the lines of communication open and if they are in a situation where they are in over their heads they would come to me.




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      Kyah wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • In some states 15 is old enough to marry. I don’t know the entire story but if she decided to get her school involved because she didn’t want her parents in her situation for whatever reasons, is still her decision. She opted to terminate the pregnancy, that’s still her decision and I have to respect her choice.




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      Trudy S wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I would hope you would too Ruby!  However, we don’t know what kind of relationship this girl had with her mother.  Why was this girl having sex at 15/16 and her mother knew nothing about that?  

      If she is old enough to be able to have sex without her mother’s permission shouldn’t she also be old enough to make the decisions that come with that?

      I would also hope that if my son got his girlfriend pregnant they would feel like the could come to me for support, not lecturing or judging.  By 16 one should have already established that kind of relationship...and I hope that I will be able to do just that.




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      Cristina Corral wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I tell you what, if my 16 yr old son got some girl preggers, you better believe I am going to lecture, yell and scream because I have discussed safe sex and how immature I think he is to be having sex in the first place, which thankfully he doesn't at this point.  At any rate, the yelling & screaming is an extremely natural response which doesn't mean that I do not have an open relationship with my children.  I do.  I am their sole provider and play both mother and father!

      When a child has a child it is a stupid irresponsible thing.  This doesn’t mean that later on down the line the child won’t be a great parent, it just means that they were too young to have the knowledge and wisdom and carry the burden of responsibity that we adults have and do.  Again, there may be some 15 yr old mothers out there who have their sh@#*% together, but I’m banking on very few.  Kudos to those young mothers that can do this and who have beat the odds of young parenting!heart

      I told my son that I understand that sex feels good and we enjoy it but also warned him of the consequences that come along with it like STD’s and pregnancy! So I don’t necessarily think that if the child is having sex that he is also mature enough to make sound responsible decisions. An adolecsent does not have the mental where-with-all to make those types of decisions yet alone deal with the impact that may have later in life.

      We as parents have rights to know about our children’s wellbeing and being pregnant is part of that. The decision should be a family decision that is carefully thought out!

      One more note: when I first had sex...my mom didn’t know about it because as a teens, I don’t care how much of a ‘friend’ your mom is to you, I just didn’t go there with her on my sexual experiences.  Not until I had to when I got caught!!!ohhhh

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      LuAnn Venden wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • Amen, Trudy...the NPR follow-ups, the New York Times, and the story in the major Seattle papers make it much more clear that the school referred her to a health clinic, not that the school nurse took her by the hand and brought her to an abortion clinic.  You‘re correct in that there are a lot of “news” agencies out there that are being irresponsible and focusing on any possible sensational aspect.

      Note that I am not saying that the school shouldn’t have notified the parents...I’m just saying that some news agencies aren’t reporting on this very well.




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      Cristina Corral wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • BTW  totally agree that the media memorializes and exaggerates on an enourmous level!!!!




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      Mztracy wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • well, my mom and i were close, and she taught me right from wrong, but she was not always with me. And please, kids sometimes do things they should not even when they know better!!  

      Bottom line, what the school did was wrong!! They should have contacted a child welfare agency if in fact there was a problem at home.




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      Trudy S wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • And how would they know that there was trouble in the home if the girl didn’t tell them?  She comes into the school clinic and asks for a referral to a reproductive health clinic because she’s pregnant.  Should the school automatically notify?  What about if she’s not pregnant?

      Who will these kids trust if there is no one who can give advice without having to report to the family?  Do you want her to find help ‘somewhere else‘?

      It is illegal (HIPPA) in WA to notify if the 14+ person doesn’t consent to notification.  I know this isn’t just the case in WA.

      If this girl wanted an abortion do you think having her taken into protective services would stop her?




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      Cristina Corral wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I don’t know about being taken by protective services unless there was a present and eminant danger to her! But a valid point is raised...what if she wasn’t pregnant and they had notified her parents and she had a horrible home life?  If it was me, the parent, I still would want to know because then I could counsel my child.

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      Kimfabulous wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • You all make valid points as there are both legal and moral considerations with something as sensitive as this. The school fulfilled its legal obligation.  While this may vary by state in WA it is clear that this teenager was well within her rights to seek guidance where she was most comfortable.  It is unfortunate that was not in her home...we can only speculate on the reasons for that.  It is fortunate that she was able to approach someone as too many horrific outcomes could have followed otherwise.  Hiding the pregnancy then dumping or killing the baby like yesterday’s trash at birth?  Seeking underground methods of pregnancy termination (yes they still exist)and bleeding to death in the process?  I have 3 children and have maintained a very open communication with all of them (2 girls and a boy)...but if panic were to ever set in and they felt they could not talk to me or my husband, I would hope they would talk to someone hearing my whispers, to make a decision they could live with.




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      Trudy S wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • As you can see, I feel pretty strongly about this. I work with a non-profit that deals solely with ‘at-risk’ youth.  Unfortunately, most of them are at risk because of the families they came from.  These laws have been enacted to protect these kids...because they aren’t being protected by their families.

      Like so many of our laws, they are enacted because of the few who are ‘bad’ not because of the majority of us that are ‘good‘.  

      Drunk driving, theft, murder.  These laws are not for ‘US’ they are for ‘THEM‘.

      It breaks my heart to see what is happening to the youth in our country. Many of the ones we see were children of teens themselves.




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      Mztracy wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • Well obviously if she is too scared to tell her parents then there might be a problem! And you would think the school would counsel the girl before they would rush off and get her an abortion. So, someone would know if there are problems at home.

      I am pro-choice, but in this case it sounds like the school took it on themselves with no regards to the parents. That gives them [the school] way to much power.  

      And as stated, we don’t know the family in this case. The mom could be awesome and the kid might be trouble. It does happen...gr8 parents sometimes have kids with bad behavior.

      The bottom line, Get child welfare involved as no school should have this power . And if the school stated it would be free if she did not tell her parents, they may the abortion instigators here.




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      Mindy Wilson wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I hadn’t seen this in the news. It breaks my heart.




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      Mary Clark wrote Mar 25, 2010
    • I“m not a fan of the HIPPA law when it applies to not telling you, the parent what is going on with your children.  Of course they can hold YOU, the parent responsible if you children break the law, but they can’t tell you things about your children?  That is a crock of crap........
      Legal age is 18...and until they are 18....every aspect of that child is mine!  I am required by law to provide food for that child, put a roof over their head, and clothe them....but you can’t tell me what is going on with them medically?   Something is majorly wrong with this picture.  

      I think the school stepping in is wrong.




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      Trudy S wrote Mar 26, 2010
    • Bernadette,

      I appreciate your agreement...but let me clarify on this point.  

      The school was NOT stepping in to ‘protect’ the girl.  The school was simply referring a student who asked for help to the proper medical experts.

      The clinic she went to is a reproductive health clinic...not an abortion clinic as some like to say.  Please don’t ramp-up this issue by using ‘foxy’ words. (not you B.!)

      Schools can only ‘protect’ by calling in the state child welfare department and only if they have a strong suspicion that a child is being ‘abused‘.  Is a girl being pregnant evidence of abuse in the home? Unless the girl tells them that the school can’t know.

      Calling protective services is a huge step.  They more often than not remove the child from their family.  Should the school take that responsibility with every pregnant girl?  Who would that help?

      I feel that many are missing my main point her.  That is:  Don’t judge until you know the whole story...not the story the TV network decides it wants you to know.  There seem to be a lot of jumping to conclusions here when very little TRUTH is know about the situation.




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      Marya1961 wrote Mar 27, 2010
    • I have never heard the term “reproductive health clinic“..is that something recent in every state or just in certain states?...yes, the media does exploit, so therefore it is important to gain all truthful info, but how does one go about that unless you know the person’s circumstances intimately?..and in this case, we all may never know.




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