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What does everyone think about the building of an Islamic Center so close to Ground Zero in New York?

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      Mztracy wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • I think it sucks!!

      But, the laws state religious freedom.frown




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      Suzann wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • I totally agree with you all. Annie, you make such a clear argument.  

      Is there no way the building of this mosque can be stopped? I know they’ve tried legal measures and the mosque people won. I’d almost go there and lie down in front of the construction equipment.




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      Mztracy wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • heartheart Annie!!

      What’s sick is, construction cos will do it, all about money, not principle! Just sick!!!




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      Mztracy wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • I hope so!! Most likely they will outsource it... heartbreakheartbreak




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      Linni wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • i so agree with what you said Annie! heart




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      Lazylola wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • Totally against it. Great points Annie, I think like Tracy though, I can see people desperate for work may be willing to sell out and pick up a construction job, either that or outsourcing.




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      Bookdoc wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • I agree with the points Annie addressed. Building the mosque near ground zero will only promote more hate and discontent. I have no doubt that if and when it is built violence will ensue. There are a lot of fanatics (religious or otherwise), and building the mosque will bring out the worst of them.  

      Additionally, they will find someone to build it. People need jobs, and I’m sure the Islamic community has their own construction companies that would/could do the work. However, once again I have no doubt that during the construction there will be violence.

      In my humble opinion the whole situation reeks of bad karma. If they want to build a center that embraces tolerance and acceptance then it should be a center that incorporates all religions (Muslim, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhist etc.) then everyone, no matter what their beliefs, could honor those who lost their lives, on one of the worst days in American history.




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      Cheekymonkey wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • estatic I like what bookdoc is suggesting about a center for all religions. To bad all the leaders of the religions don’t come together and do that.
      I am so totally againest the mosque going there and what I find even worse is that they thought it was a good idea to build it there. another bugger off to america? no, I think it is only a religion that claims one thing but in realality doesn’t care for man kind as it professes too.
      They live with blinders on that their pain and suffering is the only one they can see, there is no empathy for the outsiders of their religion. hence the wanting to build the mosque where so many peoples lifes were shattered and America changed forever.
      I makes me mad and then it makes me really sad.
      I do understand about wanting to work but this is one thing that if we gathered our voices on and people would refuse to work on this particular site it could make the difference in the spirit of “us” america. It would be a start.




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      Cheekymonkey wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • P.S hopefully the unions will just say “NO”




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      Cheekymonkey wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • also when I say “religion” I am talking about the leaders of such that are making this choose of sites. I am not attacking anyone on this site. So, please don’t reply to me if that is your point . thank you




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      Hbrose wrote Aug 19, 2010
    • I’m definitely for freedom of religion. But, I just hope the Islamic Center reconsiders their decision to build so close to ground zero, out of respect for those lost on 9/11 and their families. I truly hope they understand.




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      Cathie Beck wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • I think it’s the craziest idea Ever to build a mosque there, of all places.  

      Cathie




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      Mztracy wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • Gr8 article Annie!! heartheart




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      Vikki Hall wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • All really good points! It’s just sad that this even has to be a topic at allfrown

      Do you think we as a nation are just pushing the envelope on acceptance?




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      Vikki Hall wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • That maybe we are TOO tolerant!




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      Jbrwn65 wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • I don’t think that most Americans are TOO tolerant, given the answers to this question.

      There’s a huge difference between terrorism and religion, or have we forgotten that?

      If we allow 9/11 to make us paranoid and fearful over nothing, then is this still America?




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      Suzann wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • We are tolerant, though, jbrwn, especially given the comments here! Here at Fab40 we are sharing our opinions. We are not suing anyone, we are not (although I guess I did express my fantasy of) throwing ourselves in front of construction equipment, we are not saying negative things about others’ religions.  

      This is indeed America - we are discussing. We are talking. We are working through the things that concern us, in an open forum.  

      If someone decides to take action, that, too, is America, as long as the action is legal.  

      We are allowed to have strong opinions and have this still be America. We are allowed to be fearful (and who is to say if the fears are over nothing?) and this is definitely America.  

      No one here reflected paranoia. (And even if they did, we can feel whatever we want to feel. Not only that, most experts in the field of terrorism say it’s only a matter of time before there is another terror attack on US soil - so are we paranoid? Or is it true that some groups want to hurt us?)

      What these comments are about here are caring. Caring for the feelings of those who lost loved ones in 9-11. Caring about the wisdom of putting an Islamic Center near Ground Zero. No one’s saying that an Islamic Center would pose a physical threat. We‘re saying that it’s in bad taste!

      In America, we can say what we want.




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      Mztracy wrote Aug 20, 2010
    • I see what you mean Vikki! We are, in some ways, becoming too tolerant. With political correctness and all that jazz. Although I’m not all that politically correct...

      Suzanne, well said!!  

      As for the Mosque, it is more then religion behind this. Why in God’s name would they even think of building there Mosque there? But, look at the press they are getting now. They knew exactly what they were doing. It’s in very bad taste and very bad form to those who say it’s ok.  

      And of course we’d be paranoid...those bastards attacked us on our soil. It was not the first time either.

      It has nothing to do with being fearful, it has to do with respect to those who lost their lives.




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      Cheekymonkey wrote Aug 21, 2010
    • heart I love the fact that we all have very different opinions and some of us go to the right, to the middle and to the left. but most of all we just respect each other and if we don’t agree then we smilehappy or we don’t answer. I think that we all want what is right for the people that not only lost a love one in 9/11 but for the thousands of people that went there to help or their jobs took them to the heart of it in efforts to help and save. It changed them as well. and our hearts go out to all of us basically America that had our very beliefs shaken to the core that in a small way it changed everyone of us to a degree.
      I think that is all we all want is to respect the place that changed our world forever. nurture it back to health. Build something that represents healing and togetherness.
      not a reminder of the hate that a few had for our nation.




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      Cathie Beck wrote Aug 21, 2010
    • Thank you, Suzanne! Very well said. ;oD  

      Cathie




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      Marlene McCray wrote Aug 21, 2010
    • As a therapist who worked in the closest hospital to the world trade center, I helped everyone on that day and the weeks to follow!!  I agree on religious freedom but still perplexed on why so close to ground zero when from my place of employment and the world trade center site there are already mosque within walking distance. Why add another one; that is my question?

      Marlene
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      UK Girl wrote Aug 25, 2010
    • From across the pond for what it’s worth it just seems very crass and in bad taste.
      Plus it has provoked much bad feeling and opened old wounds - so I can only conclude those who are pressing ahead are not doing this to bring harmony and openness but to jump all over folk
      Just my opinion - it would be like building a memorial to those who planted the bombs in London next to the memorial of those who died .......




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      Cathie Beck wrote Aug 25, 2010
    • Sadly... yes it would, Viki.  

      Hugs,
      Cathie




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      UK Girl wrote Aug 27, 2010
    • I thought this might interest some of you - this is a well known columnist in the UK on a very popular paper and his take on it  

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      Cynthia Schmidt wrote Aug 27, 2010
    • Vicki, that was a very interesting article. I love reading the work of journalists from other parts of the world. Thanks for sharing it. I sent the link to my hubby.




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      Mary Clark wrote Aug 27, 2010
    • I agree Cynthia...excellent article Vicki...thank you for sharing that!




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      Cheekymonkey wrote Sep 2, 2010
    • What should bother us m imore is that any american or our “chief of staff Pp” would think in anyway shape or form that this was a good idea....that even momentarilly it was a good idea.that is what is shameful. A leader of the most powerful countries in the free nations makes a laughing stock out of himself and our nation by basically saying those who suffered we forget you. Thats all of us america.
      I personally lost a sister in law and a nephew. My brother was in the first strike team to arrive and to this day is changed and will not talk about it
      My hubby had a relative from uk visiting a close family friend in the first tower bothwere lost so my personal loss is 4 dead and a brother changed for ever for doing his job. And my president even though I didnt vote for him to agree about the site proves beyond a shadow of a doubt he is not for the people and he is to into his own hype.
      I just dont understand how any american would think this is right. Sad day




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      Faye43 wrote Sep 3, 2010
    • It is totally disrespectful; like pouring salt in an open wound!!! tongue out

      Fly the flag

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      Faye43 wrote Sep 3, 2010
    • Vicki, people from all over the world died during the 911 terrorist attacks. I agree with you 100%. heart




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      SUSAN WHITLEY wrote Sep 9, 2010
    • I believe that based on what America stands for how can we say no!  However, it would seem like the leaders making this decision would see what harm it is going to cause and find a different site. Sometimes one has to just throw in the towel and give up.  This is no longer about one’s rights, it’s about consideration for one another.




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      Mary Clark wrote Sep 10, 2010
    • The bottom line is...we have a president who tends to go along with the muslim world...maybe because he grew up in their world??  

      Where were the muslims when this country was founded??
      I don’t recall seeing any muslim name signed on the constitution....but they seem to want to change it now!

      The problem with America is that WE HAVE BECOME TOO TOLERANT!
      Accept this...accept that...and at some point you have to STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN!  If you STAND UP FOR SOMETHING...you can’t TOLERATE EVERYTHING!!

      That Imam knows exactly what he is doing...all muslims do!  This is just a part of THEIR AGENDA....to eventually outnumber the world. heartbreak




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      Suzann wrote Sep 10, 2010
    • Mary, I agree with you that I so wish President Obama and the NYC mayor would have spoken out against the placement of this mosque.  

      I’m not sure that we can conclude from that, however, that our President “goes along with the Muslim world” in general.  

      As we talk about this issue, I think it’s important that we express our opinions but without making unfounded accusations. You may indeed be right, Mary, I’m not saying you‘re wrong. I’m just saying that there is nothing concrete in our President’s actions that indicates he’s “going along with the Muslim world.” That statement is too general, and has no proof behind it.  

      Certainly Pres. O. is working diligently with counter-terrorist groups and in other ways, to keep us as safe as possible.




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      Suzann wrote Sep 10, 2010
    • I’m not for or against the President, nor am I defending his inaction in this, which I think is inexcusable.

      I’m just saying that insinuating things about him, without knowing if our accusations are true or not, might not be the best way to go.




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      Mary Clark wrote Sep 10, 2010
    • Suzann...let me rephrase that then...it is my opinion...how I honestly feel...that he is reaching out to the muslim world in ways that I think are not good for America! My opinion!




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      Suzann wrote Sep 10, 2010
    • Mary, thank you. And I’m so grateful you didn’t take offense.  

      I totally respect your opinion!

      I hope we‘re still friends. heart




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      Mary Clark wrote Sep 11, 2010
    • This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate statement that I've read on this issue (and I've read a lot of them).

      Statement on the Proposed "Cordoba House" Mosque near Ground Zero

      Newt Gingrich

      July 21, 2010 6pm

      There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.

      The proposed “Cordoba House” overlooking the World Trade Center site – where a group of jihadists killed over 3,000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity, passivity, and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don't understand that "Cordoba House" is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world's third-largest mosque complex.

      Today, some of the Mosque's backers insist this term is being used to “symbolize interfaith cooperation” when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way. Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for “religious toleration” are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City . Meanwhile, there are no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia . In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca.  And they lecture us about tolerance.

      If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign.

      We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history.

      Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources. America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could.
      No mosque.
      No self deception.
      No surrender.
      The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.

      If, after reading this, you agree with it, please pass it on to others. This is the most clearly stated, sensible, and historically accurate statement that I've read on this issue (and I've read a lot of them). Why can't we have a President as intelligent, educated, and patriotic as this former Speaker of the House?




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      Leadinladytracy wrote Sep 17, 2010
    • The Constitution states they have the right to build it, but it is not right!




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      Suzann wrote Sep 17, 2010
    • Mary, yes, I’m so glad you posted Newt Gingrich’s memo. You‘re right, it’s about as clear as anyone can get. And it is a historical fact that Mosques have traditionally been built ON places where Muslims have conquered. I believe that what the Islamists are doing is claiming their dominance over us; their having “conquered” us - by building the Mosque right there on that site.  

      To me, this isn’t a religious freedom issue. It’s an issue of are we, as Americans, willing to be total doormats.  

      Thank you, Mary, for posting this. We Americans must come out from under our bubble, stand up for ourselves, and just tell them “no.” There must be many ways around it legally. The memo mentioned that the funding for this thing is not accounted for. The whole idea that we are letting them claim their victory over us, while we‘re thinking “oh it’s religious freedom,” is abhorent.  

      We have religious freedom already. America is made up of people from every religion in the world, practically. This issue isn’t about that - it’s about Americans saying “no” to being bullied.




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      Linni wrote Sep 18, 2010
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